In this episode of Neurochaos, Dr. Katinka Van Der Merwe introduces her mission to help those suffering from chronic pain, particularly focusing on Complex Regional Pain Syndrome (CRPS).
She discusses the limitations of conventional medicine in treating chronic pain and emphasizes the importance of chiropractic care and the nervous system’s role in healing.
Through transformative patient stories, Dr. Katinka illustrates the effectiveness of her techniques and shares her personal journey in the field.
The episode also touches on the challenges of long COVID and concludes with the announcement of her upcoming book, “Neurochaos: How Covid Rewired The Brains Of Our Children,” which aims to provide insights and guidance for healing.
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Hello and welcome to the first episode of Neuro Chaos. My name is Dr. Katinka
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Vanimir and I am the founder and CEO of the Spiro Clinic in Faithful, Arkansas.
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One of my favorite quotes is uh by BJ Palmer um often referred to as the
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developer of chiropractic. And that quote says, “You never know how
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farreaching something you think, say, or do today will affect the lives of millions
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tomorrow.” Uh, having a podcast has never been one
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of my top five things that I wanted to do. But the thing that I believe drives
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me and the reason that I truly believe that I was placed on earth, my mission
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and passion is to help people that are alive and they are living with horrific
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chronic daily pain and other symptoms and they are lost in the woods. They
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have nowhere to turn in medicine. They have tried everything and nobody can
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help them. Those people inspire me. That is my spark. I love nothing more than
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being able to participate in getting someone’s quality of life back. Uh you
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know, being alive but living in hell is
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a special kind of torture. The only thing I think that is worse than that is
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watching a love, especially a child, suffering without any answers. The Spiro
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Clinic was founded because of a condition called complex regional pain
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syndrome. And hang in there with me. If you don’t have CRPS, this still affects
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you indirectly. So what is CRPS? It is this very creepy
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hullish condition. How does it start? So a patient has an injury and it can be a
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small thing. Maybe you went for a blood draw and just a needle going into your vein or you had a surgery. Maybe it was
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an oral surgery or you fractured something. Kids sometimes just got sick
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with a viral infection. And when the initial injury or disease passes, they
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find that their symptoms are not getting better. In fact, it’s getting worse. And
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what are the symptoms? Well, the number one symptom is horrific pain. And when I
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say pain, CRPS is rated as a 10 on the Migill scale. It is higher than natural
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child birth. You know, the difference is I had my babies naturally, three of
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them. that goes away, right? You go through a short period of hell, maybe not so
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short, can go on for 24 hours or longer, but at the end of that experience, if
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everything goes well, it ends and you have a beautiful baby to show for your
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effort. Patients with CRPS live in daily chronic hell. Patients have described
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that pain as being burned with a blowtorrch. Uh, it is horrific.
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Here’s the worst part of that condition. They do not understand what causes it.
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And the medical solutions is getting ketamine infusions. Ketamine is a
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tranquilizer originally used by veterinarians most often for horses. It
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is a disassociative drug meaning basically this is your brain. This is
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your body and it’s connected to the spinal cord. It unplugs one from the other so that you cannot sense the pain
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that’s going on in your body. It doesn’t last a long time. The relief you get from ketamine and it has many horrific
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side effects such as cancer in the bladder and other horrific side effects.
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Or you can get a spinal cord stimulator. We’re going to do a whole episode about
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spinal cord stimulators just exposing the dangers of getting one
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of those implanted. It looks like a battery pack and it goes pretty close under the skin in your back, lower back
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area, just depending on where they’re interrupting the pain signal and then they implant these leads next to your
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spinal cord and basically it interrupts or numbs the pain signals. often it
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doesn’t work. It comes with severe complications, even death.
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I do not believe those are very good solutions to tell people, oh, you have
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this condition. These are your options. We’re going to numb the pain. And that’s
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kind of like how medicine goes, right? How can we numb it? Can we do surgery?
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What drugs can we give you to override this pain? So, my background is that I am the
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daughter of a chiropractor. I grew up with it. My dad’s life was saved by a
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chiropractor. He had lifealtering allergies. He was allergic to everything
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and was quite sickly when he found chiropractic at the age of seven or I
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should say my grandparents did. He had treatment and it saved his life,
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transformed his life. And so my dad was very grateful for what that profession
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did for him. I was raised with the belief that the body is a selfhealing
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organism. In chiropractic, we have a saying that says the power that made the
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body can heal the body. I know that not everyone listening to this podcast may
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be religious or believe in a god, but let’s call it universal power.
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There’s an intelligence that happens when you have a sperm and an egg that
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gets together and then they fuse and it forms a single cell. That cell divides
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in two and those two cells divide in two. And that usually happens weeks
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before mom even knows that she is carrying a baby. That is incredibly
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intelligent. What is that intelligence? Where does it come from?
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Is it limitless? And my answer is that is innate intelligence. It’s the inborn
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magic intelligence. Call it what you will. computer program that runs our
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bodies. And we forget in medicine how smart that intelligence is. It does not
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need to be told what to do. It just needs to be able to flow. So, let’s get
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back to the chiropractic bit. I don’t live under a rock. I know what a
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lot of people in the public think about chiropractors, right? We’re kind of the step kids of all the doctors. I think we
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fall below dentists, you know, uh, as far as respect goes. And part of that is
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because chiropractic is a profession, we’re not very good at getting our message out to the public. You know, if
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I was at a cocktail party and I walked up to the first stranger and said, “Hey, what do chiropractors do?” The person
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will probably say, “Oh, they crack your neck.” If you have back pain or neck pain, you go see a chiropractor.
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Some chiropractors do that. Yes. But what we ultimately do is we are students
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of the nervous system. We respect the nervous system. We understand the power
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of innate intelligence. And innate intelligence needs a vehicle to reach
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every single cell. And we know for sure that the nervous system is a big part of
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that vehicle. I don’t think we understand quite yet how all the communication in the body works, but
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what I do know is that the nervous system is pivotal.
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So chiropractors believe that the nervous system has to flow above down
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and inside out reaching every cell. The immune system, the lymphatic system, the
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digestive system, the reproductive system, all are controlled by that
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single system called the central nervous system. So if you can make sure that
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that one system, the foundation of everything else in the human body can do
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its job and communicate clearly, then the body can heal from the inside out.
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Doctors don’t heal. I don’t care if you’re a medical doctor or a surgeon or
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a chiropractor. Doctors don’t do the healing. We set the
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stage. If we’re very good, we set the stage. We remove interference. If there
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is an infection and it is overwhelming the body and for whatever reason the immune system is failing in fighting
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this infection, then the the nervous system if it is tuned correctly
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can take over and help. But sometimes it needs help, right? You may need an antibiotic or you may need surgery to um
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fuse and and heal a broken bone and do a a metal implant to support that. The
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bone can heal around it and you’re on your way. So, we help that healing
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along. We’re stewards of that system, but we cannot take the credit for
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healing. I was 3 years old when I knew that I
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wanted to be a chiropractor. But I think the biggest drive at that point was that
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my dad was constantly working, building his practice, very successful, and I
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desperately wanted to connect with him and have him be proud of me. And so that
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was a surefire way to get his attention. And he was so proud of me. And I never
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planned on any other career. I was going to do this. I was going to be successful like my dad. I was born and raised in
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South Africa. Started first two years of school and then went to Parker College of Chiropractic in Dallas, Texas. Uh
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finished school in 2000. Hit the ground and practice practicing with my dad in
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Arkansas. It was going to be for a little bit, but I am still in Arkansas today. uh 26 years later. So I liked it
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here. At the time I was going to build my practice for a while and then find a
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big city to go practice in. But there was a glitch. I was miserable. Number
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one, I was never a good adjuster. Meaning the back cracking that chiropractors do, it is a real art. You
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have to be quick. It’s kind of like karate. You know, can you chop through a block? Not everybody can do it. There is
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a great amount that goes into learning how to become a good adjuster and I was
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terrible at it. Talk about great irony. My dad was a fantastic adjuster. I was
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not so great at it. So, I picked a technique that didn’t require that. It was very focused on emotional stress and
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trauma and how it interferes with the nervous system over time. And so, I studied that technique. I was doing
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okay, but I was not inspired. I wasn’t happy. I didn’t want to treat patients
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with headaches or back pain or neck pain. I mean, that’s great, but I wanted
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to save lives. I wanted to save someone that was drowning in pain and transform
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their life. So, I became a student of philosophy and techniques. I was like a
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sponge. Anything I could get my hands on that taught me about healing from the
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inside out, I was interested in. Whether it was biologic medicine or quantum
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neurology or whatever I could find. And I was always asking God,
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send me my passion, help me find my purpose.
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I heard about a technique that was started in California for fibromyalgia
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and basically at the time they didn’t quite understand what it did. The doctor thought he was moving the atlas, the top
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cervical vertebrae and that would release the communication between the brain and the rest of the body like a
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gate opening so that communication could flood through. What was so special about that technique
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was that they would hold two points up here in a very specific direction. And
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while you sat there, patients that have sometimes been in pain for decades would
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find that their pain would go from a 10 to a zero. It wouldn’t hold. You would have to repeat it over and over over
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many weeks for that to hold. But it was the beginning. I always call it a white
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crow moment. What do I mean by that? Well, most people if you ask him would
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say a crow is black or crows are black. But guess what?
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You can find white crows. Albino crows if you will. It’s kind of uh against
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nature, but they exist. And there was a Harvard professor that once said, “You
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only have to see one white crow to know that not all crows are black.
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You only have to experience your chronic constant pain dropping from a 10 or a
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nine or a eight whatever it is to a zero even if it is for a second to know that
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it’s possible to heal. That is a white crow moment. This technique intrigued me
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so much. It was I think $7,000. I didn’t have it. Had to borrow it from my dad. I
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did that studied that technique and the gentleman teaching that technique said
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something very interesting. He said there is a condition called RSD, reflex
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sympathetic distrophe. It’s the old name for CRPS or complex regional pain syndrome. And he said it’s
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the worst condition I’ve ever seen. It’s hell on earth and this technique can
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help it. I came home and I really, really, really wanted to get my hands on
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an RSD CRPS patient. I was so intrigued. That is the kind of patient I wanted to
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help. One day, a guy came in with his wife. He had heard from a coworker that
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I was looking for an RSD patient. And it just so happened that the week
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before Carlos’s wife found him at the edge about to commit suicide.
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Carlos was a police officer that became disabled because of CRPS.
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It had started in one body part but quickly spread all over the body. It was
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horrific. It had affected his GI tract on the inside. So his insides felt like
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it was on fire. and anything that would cause movement to that kind of stir things up would make that pain worse. So
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in Carlos’s case, the second he took a bite of any food or a sip of water
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liquid, it would ignite this fire and he would just curl up in a bowl for hours
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screaming in agony. They had a 9-month old baby and he told his wife, “I I
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cannot live like this. I’ve seen all the doctors. I’ve seen the neurologists. I’ve seen this specialist. There’s no
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hope for me. And his wife had uh such a fright and she said, “I need you to stay
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alive for Shawn and our other children.” Shawn was their baby. If I find one more doctor, will you go
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see this doctor and then if this doesn’t work, I would say goodbye to you. I would let
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you go. I would tell our children that you did not have a choice. And Carlo said yes. I was that doctor.
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When they walked in, I was terrified. Be careful. Be careful what you wish for,
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right? I remember doing the intake history and Carlos was as white as a
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sheet, 60 lb underweight, sitting with his head down, just down, hands in his
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lap, completely without hope. He was a human wreckage.
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All I had was Vegas nerve stimulation. The technique I studied
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got him on the table. Did the first treatment. His pain went from a 10, I don’t think
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it was a zero. It dropped significantly. He left my clinic that night and for the
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first time in many months, he felt hungry. He went to a all you can eat
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buffet. Had a normal meal, not liquids. Chewed his food, swallowed it, didn’t
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have any pain. When he came in the next day, I saw a spark of hope that I’ve
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come to recognized in patients. He had his white crow moment. Carlos left my
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program 15 weeks later. Uh this is back in 2010, I believe. So he’s now been in
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remission from this condition which is practically unheard of especially back
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in those days. That was a hook line and sinker. I have found my passion. I was
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energized. I was excited. I was in love again with my profession and I just
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wanted to see patients. Word of mouth traveled so quickly. And here in Arkansas, somebody that owned a support
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group, her name was Barbara Wall found out about the work that I was doing and
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she also suffered from CRPS. And so she came in and I treated her
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and she went into remission. Today her daughter, Dr. Lauren Wall, is one of my
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associates that is part of my team. She’s actually leading the team and she
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was going to go study medicine. Such a gifted gifted kid at the time. Went to
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Barker College, became a chiropractor. So now she’s part of my team. But that’s how inspired Dr. Lauren was at the time
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seeing her mom recover. So about five patients into the program, I thought,
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“This is it. We have it made. We’ve got this figured out. Vegas nerve stimulation. Boom. We’re going to change
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the world. I got stuck with a patient. Didn’t work. And I panicked.
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There’s the flip side to feeling like a savior and a hero. And that flip side is if you cannot help a patient, you’re
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dooming them to a life of hell. Where else are they going to go? And so I
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studied and I looked and the thing that I found was frequency specific
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microcurrent little machine. It’s a energetic healing technology. What do I
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mean by that? Your body is made up of tiny building blocks called cells. Every single organ
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in your body, every tissue is made up of very specific
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cells specific to that organ or that area. And they’re made up of protons,
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electrons, and neutrons. Right? So now we’re going to the subatomic level
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called quantum neurology. Protons, electrons, and neutrons are
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held together by some force. And it’s not like a rock, right? or an object it
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is moving. Electrons move at a specific frequency that is like a signature like
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a fingerprint for that tissue. It never changes. That frequency is the same for every single person. So the frequency
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let’s say of your aorta is going to be the same for every single person. So now
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it’s like a code. If you tell a machine, go find this frequency, it knows to go
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to the aorta or whatever tissue you’re targeting, the liver, and then the channel B, that’s channel A, what tissue
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are we targeting? Channel B is what action do we want to happen in that
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tissue? Do we want to increase ATP, the fuel of the cells? Do we want to
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decrease inflammation? Do we want to increase the immune system’s power? FSM
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came next and the patient went into remission. Block by block. This is how I grew my
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program of neurologic rehabilitation. By getting stuck, by failing with patients,
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by looking for tools to turn that around, to break through the block, to
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get the patient into remission. So that was in 2010. Today we’re doing
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about 18 different techniques. Um our base of the program, it’s kind of
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like making chicken soup. If you look for chicken soup recipes on the
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internet, you’re going to find so many different recipes. I’m no chef, but you
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know, some may have oregano in them and some may have carrots and other people want to add potatoes. He, you know, some
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are creamy, some are not. So, you’ve got your chicken stock in almost I think
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it’s pretty universal, but then you add different ingredients and that’s how my program works. We treat the worst of the
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worst cases in the world. And word of mouth has grown this clinic because of
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our incredible stories. You know, when you see these stories on Facebook and the videos we post where a child has a
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feeding tube, they haven’t said a word in 2 years, they have lost 50 lbs, and
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they’re in a wheelchair in horrible bodywide neurologic pain, and medicine
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has just washed its hands off that patient. And then you see that patient
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turn around. It is one of the best things in the world. I know that there
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are millions of patients worldwide suffering from pain that cannot be
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figured out by medicine. Not just pain, other symptoms. There are
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so many symptoms that go along with this. And we’re going to go through some of those symptoms like functional
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neurologic disorder. But there are people who are suffering.
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A while back a very close family member ended up in the hospital with a severe
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diverticulitis. So what happens is you have a pocket in the colon. You know, the colon is kind
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of like a balloon with these bubbles, right? And sometimes food gets stuck and gets inflamed and then you get an
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infection and if it gets very severe, you can have a blowout. Uh basically where it bursts and then this bacteria
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enters the body, it can cause very severe infections and even death. And so
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this was a code red situation. My tools would be great after the fact, but we
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needed to get to a hospital. And I went through this process
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to a pretty good hospital here in Fateville, Arkansas. I can say the staff was really great. The hospital was good.
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But once you go into that system, it’s like this puzzle where you’re a rat
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in a maze and you’re just going from point to point being shuffled along by this system. Um, and it’s so
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disconcerting. you know, you have all these doctors um and they have your medical notes, but if
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you’re a patient that have all these different symptoms, you have a GI doctor and you’ve seen a
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neurologist and you have your general practitioner doctor um and you might end
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up with a radiologist. You just have all these different doctors and specialities
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all believing that we need to add something to the body to make it work
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correctly again. We need to add medicine. We need to give you pain medicine. We need to treat the chronic
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pain. Just numb it. Numb it. Cut it. Come in from the outside and make this
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patient better. But that medical model in the USA and worldwide is failing. It
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is not the correct way to approach healing. So, looping back around, I believe I’m a
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chiropractor for a reason. The difference between medical doctors and chiropractors, the main difference I
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would say, because chiropractors all use very many different techniques, is that
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chiropractors believe that the body is meant to be healthy without
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interference. We believe that the tool to getting back to health, the gateway
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is through the central nervous system, healing the nervous system in the brain
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and the spinal cord in all the nerve roots and nerves and in every single cell. That is the communication system
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in the body. Medical doctors believe that the body heals from the outside in
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for the most part. And in order to do that, you do surgery. You can give antibiotics. You do medicine. Now, I
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want to be very clear. Medical doctors save my family member that had diverticulitis.
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Medical doctors save millions of patients. In an emergency situation, you
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need a medical doctor. If I have a broken bone, I need a medical doctor. If I have an open gash, I need a medical
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doctor. If I was in a severe car accident, I need a medical doctor. I
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need the CT scans. I need the antibiotics. I need to be sewn up. Medicine fails when it tries to manage
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chronic pain. And that’s where the power of the nervous system comes in.
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About 2 years ago, we had a patient’s mom called and she said, “My son Aiden
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suffers from severe pediatric long CO.” At that point, I was aware of longco or
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we had seen a few patients with it alongside CRPS, but I wasn’t too
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familiar with how severe it could be. Aiden had so many conditions. I’m going
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to leave some of them out. He had such a famous case that he actually ended up in
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Time magazine. I think he was about 12 when he got long co and it was almost
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instantaneous. Normal kid, very athletic, loved snow
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skiing and all sorts of sport. got long co and in the blink of an eye, Aiden was
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incapacitated, had full body neurologic pain to the
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point where he slept in this special contraption at night. He couldn’t just lay on a mattress because the pressure
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was so incredibly painful. He had non-epileptic seizures. He had postural orthostatic
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tachicardia syndrome. um horrific daily pain, just hell on earth for this kid.
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They had lost him completely. He went to the Rainbow Babies program and he made
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progress. He did physical therapy and they did acupuncture and then he hit a wall and he wasn’t near where he needed
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to be to get his life back. I mean, this kid thought, “This is the rest of my life.” and he told his parents, “I’m
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never going to get better. You’re going to have to take care of me until I die and I’m not going I’m not going to grow
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into an adult. I am too sick.” So, they were searching for anything and found
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out about Spiro Clinic. So, they contacted us or Aiden’s parents did. And
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there’s always this moment because our clinic is well known now and patients will call and say, “Can you help
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ex condition, multiple sclerosis, or amplified pain syndrome. It’s very
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important for patients to hear, “You’ve helped someone else like me.” Nobody wants to be the first out of the gate.
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Nobody wants to wonder if this is going to work for them. And we’re so used to medicine, right, where if you have this
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condition, we give you this very specific medication to help it or we do this very specific surgery to turn it
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around. that it is very specific. It’s very symptom oriented.
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We could treat a patient not knowing at all what the label of their condition
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was. Just tune up the central nervous system because there’s this ripple effect that
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happens where you heal the nervous system and the ripples go out and it
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translates into complete and total healing. one cell, one organ, one system
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at a time in the priority that the body wants to heal. Starting with the thing that threatens your survival the most.
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Uh not necessarily the thing that is the most bothersome or painful to the
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patient. And so we had to say no, we have never treated a severe long COVID
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case. And Aiden’s parents happened to say we’re desperate. We don’t care.
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we’re going to come visit your clinic and then we’ll decide whether we want to enroll them in treatment. They came and
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they spoke to other patients and they left for the first time. Aiden most
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importantly with a sense of hope. He saw some white crows. Wasn’t his moment yet,
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but he thought maybe I have a chance.
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I believed at the time that we could help him. And why did I think that? I
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would say 95% of our CRPS patients and other chronic pain patients have an
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underlying viral infection and that is most often the Epstein bora virus but
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not always. It could be um any long-term
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infection. It could also be a bacterial infection. Infections
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always will affect the GI tract. It hides. There are so many hidey-holes in
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your GI tract where infections can hide in pockets from the immune system. And
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when you have an infection like that, you have a nerve coming from the brain
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stem to the GI tract. It goes many other places like your heart. It controls the
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autonomic nervous system. And that nerve is called the vagus nerve. Vegas in
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Latin means wandering. The wandering nerve, if you look at it, it looks like
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tree roots, very intricate. And those roots touches almost everything in the
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abdomen, including the bladder. So when that nerve stops communicating, it has
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dire effects for the rest of the body, including GI dysfunction, severe pain,
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affects the immune system. It controls inflammation in the body. So if that nerve gets infected with the virus, the
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signals it’s sending out to the body just goes haywire and you have this massive inflammation happening in the
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body could translate to pain and other symptoms. And so we know that when you
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have viral or bacterial infections, viruses and bacteria will affect the
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vagus nerve. It uses the vagus nerve as a ladder to cross the bloodb brain barrier and affect the brain. itself and
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then it starts this insidious process from the inside out where the nervous
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system is basically in chaos hence the term neuro chaos.
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So I thought if he had a virus whether it was man-made or occurred in nature I
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believe that it didn’t occur in nature but COVID 19 can lead to the same
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process and if I was right our system would work for Aiden and it did and that
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was a huge aha moment how many kids can we help often when we say long co to
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members of the public they’ll say oh long co so you get really tired. No.
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Severe long CO will take your life. You can end up in a wheelchair. Severe pain,
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malfunction of the immune system. The GI tract could completely shut down. So
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many of our longcoid cases come in with feeding tubes, especially pediatric
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longco cases. And the answer is not
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just physical therapy. The answer is not override the pain and let’s teach this
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child to live with pain and try to have him not notice the pain day-to-day and
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function anyway. That’s not the solution. Something happened. The nervous system malfunctioned and it has
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to be turned around. Based on that, I knew that that information had to reach
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the public. and I wrote a book called Neuro Chaos: How Long Co Rewired the
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Brains of Our Children. That book is going to be available February 3rd, and you will be able to
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pre-order it in a few weeks from now. We’ll let you guys know when that is happening.
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In that book, I cover how viral infections affect the nervous system,
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what happens in the brain, what happens in the nerves, what happens in your cranial nerves, and how can that be
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turned around, what kind of supplements should you take, what should you eat, what should you avoid.
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Our program because is for very sick people is a very intense program because
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that’s what it takes to turn this process around. That means patients are
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here all day long getting therapies all day long having people work on them. We
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have a team of almost 60 people now. Giant team, all very well-trained and
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specialized in these very difficult cases doing therapy after therapy after
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therapy to turn this condition around. I always tell patients, if I’m going to be
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in a rope pulling competition against a monster, let’s say a T-Rex, I’m pulling
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by myself, I’m never going to win. I’m never going to win. But if I had 20
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other people backing me up and pulling together, we have a fighting chance. And that’s why I believe that therapies all
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offered during this same treatment period, one backing up the other,
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backing up the other, all working together, all doing it to individual parts and together forming this massive
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force that will push healing through. That’s how you do it. Doing all of these
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things together. There is not, unfortunately, one single magic bullet
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or pill that can do it. And I don’t think we’re ever going to find that because that’s not how the nervous
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system is wired. That’s not how it heals. That’s how you help patients. But I know that not everyone can come to my
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clinic for 14 or 15 weeks, 4 days a week, pay out of pocket for this
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program. It’s expensive to offer this program with such a big stuff and all the
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expensive technologies uh and insurance just won’t cover it.
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Chooses not to cover it. So, not everyone can come to my clinic.
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Neuro chaos is also written for parents, for caretakers, for kiddos that can
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never come to Arkansas. I have a sample treatment plan in that book. If you are
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to tackle this on your own, I’ve given you all these tools in the book. Where do you start? Do you start with
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supplementation? Do you start with vagus nerve therapy? At what point is the body strong enough to be able to tolerate
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detoxification, which is very important part of that step. I laid out a sample treatment program in
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that book for parents to know where to begin. So you have a guide. It may take
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a year. It may take longer than three months at the Spirro Clinic, but we can
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make progress. We can heal. So, I am incredibly excited about that book and
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its launch date. And I’m excited about this podcast. Like I said,
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I didn’t want to hear myself speak. I’m not interested in fame. I’m I’m not
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interested in getting my name out there. I am interested in reaching people like
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you. If you’re listening to this and you have a loved one, someone you know, and
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you’re watching them suffer and you are without hope, I’m here to tell you that
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the body is incredible. There is so much you can do at home to start the healing
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process. And I am going to be your guide. I’m going to provide you with
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tools, with hope, with ideas, with the first step to take to make that healing
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happen and to teach you about the nervous system and how incredible the human body is and how it can heal if it
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just has the right help. Thank you so much for listening. I’m so excited about
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spending time with you and getting to know you better and sharing all this exciting information with you and making
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a difference in your life and in the life of whomever you know that is
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suffering. Thank you for joining today.
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